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The Big Bandicoot is a 1978 custom one off catamaran built in Sydney, Australia using ply, foam and epoxy sealed by a reputable shipbuilder, Photos by The Multihull Company, Charleston, South Carolina, USA. Big Bandicoot was initially built to beat the World Speed record. Unfortunately she only made it to 32 knots, a couple of knots below the record at the time. She was then purchased and extended from 17M to 18.3M and converted into a cruising catamaran. Vintage video here; www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oAuSAT8FCE&t=107s My main Flickr site; www.flickr.com/photos/lox-pix/albums/ My Flickr Collections; www.flickr.com/photos/lox-pix/collections My Web Homepage; loxpix3.wixsite.com/lox-pix-mix

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Discussion in ' Multihulls ' started by Doug Lord , Dec 4, 2009 .

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This video illustrates a planing cat better than anything I've yet seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOr46fV4n0&feature=related the story: http://www.mckeewildthings.com/Wet and Wild Fluid Dynamics.htm  

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I would have smacked him in the head for driving near my dogs like a tool. Cat looks like a bit of fun though. J  

mikereed100

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Very cool. Looks like he could use some battens in that sail.  
Planing Cats! It seems to me that the boat was very impressive for its era-the eighties. I can't help but think what could be done now with new materials. I did the one below in that same time frame. Some friends and I have figured out that it could be built today at about 1/3rd the weight it had then.  

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that's nothing. my 500 kg jarcat 7 will plane if you apply 50kt wind to the beam.  
Aero Skimmer This thing has planing hulls and a tilting wing rig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y8x9JOVwog&feature=related  

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Palm Beach, Northern Beaches, Sydney, Oz --> old stomping ground when windsurfers had teak booms. LOL nice footage, never saw that thing, ever!  
Doug Lord said: ↑ This thing has planing hulls and a tilting wing rig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y8x9JOVwog&feature=related Click to expand...

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Notice how the You tube caption says that "We received an Australian design award"? I was the guy who sailed it for the panel when they were judging it for the award. I said that it was probably not worthy of a design award, as the performance claims were greatly overstated. It was okay when planing on a reach, but slow in other conditions (ie light winds or chop, or going upwind). I can clearly recall the Design Award panel saying that they did not want to discourage those who sought the award, so they gave the boat the nod. I don't think that (as claimed) the boat failed to sell because people didn't understand the concept. Cat sailors are NOT ******, fools or idiots. They don't go for planing cats because planing cats are, all round, considerably slower than non-planing cats. Sure, the Itzacat throws spray around, but that isn't a sign of all-round speed - look at the incredibly efficient low-fuss motion of an A Class cat or lowrider Moth which throw almost no spray but go incredibly well. Basic (and very well tested) hydrodynamics teaches us that the drag of a planing surface is inversely proportional to the width of the stagnation point. Cat hulls (even Itza Cat hulls) are skinny, therefore they have a narrow stagnation point, therefore they lack efficiency when planing, therefore for cats a skinny displacement hull is a better all-round proposition. It's been well known for decades and has been proven numerous times. It did tack well, although not as well as a Laser as claimed.  
CT 249 said: ↑ Notice how the You tube caption says that "We received an Australian design award"? I was the guy who sailed it for the panel when they were judging it for the award. I said that it was probably not worthy of a design award, as the performance claims were greatly overstated. It was okay when planing on a reach, but slow in other conditions (ie light winds or chop, or going upwind). I can clearly recall the Design Award panel saying that they did not want to discourage those who sought the award, so they gave the boat the nod. I don't think that (as claimed) the boat failed to sell because people didn't understand the concept. Cat sailors are NOT ******, fools or idiots. They don't go for planing cats because planing cats are, all round, considerably slower than non-planing cats. Sure, the Itzacat throws spray around, but that isn't a sign of all-round speed - look at the incredibly efficient low-fuss motion of an A Class cat or lowrider Moth which throw almost no spray but go incredibly well. Basic (and very well tested) hydrodynamics teaches us that the drag of a planing surface is inversely proportional to the width of the stagnation point. Cat hulls (even Itza Cat hulls) are skinny, therefore they have a narrow stagnation point, therefore they lack efficiency when planing, therefore for cats a skinny displacement hull is a better all-round proposition. It's been well known for decades and has been proven numerous times. It did tack well, although not as well as a Laser as claimed. Click to expand...
A round a course, give me a well sailed 16 any day over that thing.... no way IMO  

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Doug - I know there is only a low chance of resolving the doubt as Kona Kats are pretty uncommon these days but I highly doubt your claim that it could outpace a Hobie 16. If single hulled craft (ie windsurfer one design) from that vintage couldn't outpace a hobie then how could twice the plastic, increased windage, that same rig and the same righting moment go faster? It doesn't make sense to me.  
Munter said: ↑ Doug - I know there is only a low chance of resolving the doubt as Kona Kats are pretty uncommon these days but I highly doubt your claim that it could outpace a Hobie 16. If single hulled craft (ie windsurfer one design) from that vintage couldn't outpace a hobie then how could twice the plastic, increased windage, that same rig and the same righting moment go faster? It doesn't make sense to me. Click to expand...
That 1981 record of 24.75 knots was Jurgen Honschied on a surfboard - not a surfboard-style windsurfer, but a real surfboard fitted with a mast base and footstraps. As a 2.28m 5kg sinker-style board of 26L volume, it is much faster than a longboard (around 3.7m, 16-21kg and 190-260L) in speed record conditions and its performance is not comparable. Similarly, Jaap Van Der Rest's 1980 windsurfer record of 24.45 was also set on a 7kg shortboard that also cannot be compared to something as a large as a longboard windsurfer or an Itza Cat. Down here the '80s update of the original Windsurfer One Design (same hull, retracting centreboard, better rig) is the most popular windsurfer racing class nationally and its titles attract 40-57 sailors including multiple Olympians. There is no way such a board can pace a Hobie 16 except perhaps in the most extreme conditions. The best speed I know of is a peak of 25.4 knots (achieved by the national champ in extreme conditions and verified by one of the world's top 10 GPS speedsailors, who hit his own Formula board peak of 31 knots the same day) which may be faster than a Hobie 16, but 99.99999999999% of the time the H16 is much quicker, as indicated by its yardstick being some 38% faster. Did I have fun on the Itzacat, Doug? Not particularly. It planed okay but it had issues. But what I objected to was the way the Youtube caption insults cat sailors by claiming that they did not buy the boat because they did not understand the concept. The planing cat concept is an old one, dating (IIRC) from the '60s. There were boats as big as 60' built around the concept here, and that failed to do what it was supposed to do. Insulting people because they 'couldn't understand the concept' means opening up yourself to those who want to clear the record, IMHO. Interestingly, the Youtube caption says that the boat sold to science teachers and those who 'understood the concept'. I wonder how many science teachers are familiar with stagnation points, Savitsky and other facets of planing? And if they were so satisfied with the boat, how come we don't see lots of them sailing and beating conventional cats?  
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search led me to the Sailing Anarchy site where Big Bandicoot got one hell of a roasting. Mods I am not sure if I can post the link, but I have done so below.
I tell you it's no wonder I only stay on CF, some of the comments are terrible to say the least.
Big Bandicoot must be in no doubt now that he has not found the holy grail of Australian maritime treasures abandoned in the .
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Trans-Siberian heritage

Residents of Novosibirsk love trains and are proud of the fact that their city played a significant role in the history of the grand Trans-Siberian railway, which spans the breadth of Russia. The railway is such a part of Novosibirsk identity that it is even depicted on the city’s emblem, along with the bridge that crosses the Ob river and two Siberian sables standing on their hind legs.  

In the city, there are as many as five monuments to trains, and an open-air locomotive museum is located in the vicinity of the train station Seyatel’. The museum has more than 100 steam locomotives, diesel locomotives and carriages, reflecting the history of rail transportation in Russia from pre-revolutionary times to the present day. Wondering around the stationary trains and comparing your height with the diameter of the gigantic iron wheels of the first steam locomotives is all very well, but why not climb inside the carriages and see how the nobility once traveled across Russia in pre-revolutionary times? These tours will however need to be booked in advance. The museum opens from 11:00 until 17:00 every day except Mondays. 

Novosibirsk spans both sides of the river Ob. In the early twentieth century, the border of two different timezones passed right through the city which led to a strange situation- morning on the east bank started one hour earlier than on the west bank! The two-kilometer covered metro bridge that crosses the river is considered the longest in the world. Due to the fluctuations in temperature across the year (on average +30 °C to -30 °C), during the summer the metro bridge expands, and in the winter it contracts by half a meter. To counter these effects, the bridge’s supports are equipped with special rollers that allow it to move.   

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The repertoire of the theatre can be viewed on its official website . The theatre season runs from September to July, and comprises mainly classical performances, like the ballet “The Nutcracker” by Tchaikovsky, Borodin’s opera “Prince Igor” and Verdi’s “La Traviata”.  

The large Siberian sea and ligers

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Weekends are best spent at the Novosibirsk zoo . The zoo is known for breeding big cats, although surrounded by controversy, hosts a successful crossing of a tiger and lion, which of course would not otherwise breed in wildlife. Ligers, or exotic cubs of an African lion and Bengal tigress, feel quite comfortable in the Siberian climate and even produce offspring. The zoo is open to visitors year-round, seven days a week, and even has its own free mobile app, Zoo Nsk .

Every year at the beginning of January, the festival of snow culture takes place bringing together artists from across Russia and around the world to participate in a snow sculpting competition. The tradition started in 2000 inspired by the snow festival in Sapporo, Novosibirsk’s twin-city.

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Despite the fact that Akademgorodok was built half a century ago in the middle of the uninhabited Siberian taiga, architecturally it was ahead of its time. No trees were destroyed for its construction, and houses were built right in the middle of the forest. A man walking through the woods would seemingly stumble upon these structures. At that time, no one had built anything similar in the world and ecovillages only became fashionable much later.

For residents of the Novosibirsk Akademgorodok is a different world. When you step out the bus or car, you are immediately on one of the hiking paths through the forest, between the scientific buildings and clubs. On a walk through Akademgorodok, it is possible to unexpectedly encounter art-like objects handmade by residents of the city which have been erected as monuments and some monuments fixed up by city authorities. For example, the monument to the laboratory mice, which knits a strand of DNA on to some needles, can be found in the square alongside the Institute of Cytology and Genetics. In Akademgorodok there are many cafes and restaurants, in which it is possible to rest after a long walk. Grab a coffee and go to eat at Traveler’s Coffee , or eat lunch at the grille and bar People’s or Clover .

Winters in the Akademgorodok are slightly colder than in the city, so wrap up. Spring and summer are usually wetter, so waterproof boots are recommended. In the summer the Ob sea provides respite from the heat, so do not forget your swimsuit to go for a dip.

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Among the exhibits of the museum is one dedicated to world funeral culture — hearses, memorial jewellery from the hair of the deceased, samples from a specific photo-genre of  "post mortem", a collection of funeral wear from the Victorian era, deathmasks, statues and monuments. There’s also an impressive collection of coffins. One of them, resembling a fish, was manufactured on a special visit to Novosibirsk by a designer coffin-maker from Africa, Eric Adjetey Anang, who specializes in the production of unusual coffins.

Surprisingly, the crematorium itself does not look at all gloomy in appearance and definitely does not look like infernal scenes from movies, or like crematoriums of other cities that gravitate towards gloomy temple aesthetics. The Novosibirsk crematorium is decorated in “cheerful” orange tones and is surrounded by a park with a children’s playground nearby. A visit to the museum then leaves you with mixed feelings. 

Novosibirsk underground

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Tourists from all over the world go down into the Moscow metro to take a ride and a few selfies in the most famous underground museum. The Novosibirsk metro is also quite a museum in itself — it has 13 stations, the most beautiful of which is Gagarinskaya, Sibirskaya and Rechnoy Vokzal.

The ultramodern Gagarinskaya station is like a real cosmos underground. Its technologically themed design includes marble walls with metallic elements, dark blue backlighting and portraits of Yuri Gagarin. The Sibirskaya station looks like an underground treasure trove, decorated by Altai masters craftsmen with mosaics of precious Siberian stones. The Rechnoy Vokzal station is framed with ten glowing stained glass windows depicting the largest cities of Siberia, including Novosibirsk itself, Omsk, Barnaul and others. The platform resembles a big ship sailing on the Ob, from which ancient Siberian cities are visible through its windows.  

How to get there

The easiest way to get to Novosibirsk is by plane with Aeroflot or Novosibirsk airline S7 with one-way tickets from Moscow costing from 200-250 USD. If you decide to take from the train from Moscow, you’ll have to travel approximately a third of the Trans-Siberian Railway. That’s 3,300 kilometers over almost a three-day journey. 

Where to stay

There are many great hotels in Novosibirsk. Amongst the best include a four-star Doubletree hotel by Hilton , which is located near Lenin Square (per room from $200). After renovations and repairs, the congress-hotel Novosibirsk has improved (per room from $100) and is located across from the train station. Less expensive but of a similar standard is the four-star River Park hotel near Rechnoy Vokzal metro station, which costs $80 per night.

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    Description General arrangement plan for BIG BANDICOOT, drawn to scale 1/4 " = 1 foot. Contains an elevation plan and end (fore) elevation of hulls, general arrangement of sail plan and rigging. History The plans of BIG BANDICOOT speed record catamaran are for a custom plywood designed vessel that was built with the aim of setting sailing speed records for both short and long course.

  21. BIG BANDICOOT line plan

    Description Lines plan for BIG BANDICOOT, which includes elevation and hull plan. There is a table on the lower right that contains horizontal and vertical offsets. History The plans of BIG BANDICOOT speed record catamaran are for a custom plywood designed vessel that was built with the aim of setting sailing speed records for both short and long course.

  22. BIG BANDICOOT sail plan

    Description Sail plan of C Class catamaran BIG BANDICOOT at a scale of 1/2" = 1' - 0". The plan contains sail elevations, rigging instruction for mast, boom, main and jib. Includes ' C' Class rules for measuring sail area.