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Below Deck Closed Loop Sail Winch setup for Focus 1 metre RC Yacht
After making 3 of these systems for Proboat Ragazza’s and another for my ETNZ recently, I thought the Focus would be relatively simple. Unfortunately, due to the limited access it was a bit more fiddly but still quite doable.
A similar design layout to the others was used but the fiddly bits were customising it to make it fit inside the Focus as this particular vessel had been previously modified with a bulkhead fitted around the mast area and this practically blocked access to the front of the hull (see video attached).
A quick measurement suggested that 360mm was the amount of sheet travel required so a beam of 460mm was settled upon for an easy 360mm travel between the two pulley blocks.
The beam had to be fitted at a slight downward angle to clear the rudder recess and the centre of the beam required lifting by 20mm to line up with the existing winch. To achieve this a 20mm angle section was screwed to the servo tray then the beam was attached to it at the appropriate height and angle.
1/8 brass tubing was used for front & rear fairleads & this was fixed into the existing deck fittings after they were drilled to accommodate the tube.
The addition of the brass fairleads makes for much easier rigging should the sheets ever need replacing.
As there was no easy way to attach a turning block to the front bulkhead (needed for the rear sheet) it was decided to fit an extension to one side of the beam for this purpose & use one of the original Focus turning blocks that was now redundant.
Once all was set up a temporary string was run around all the pulleys and then the beam with all attachments was fed into the hull & screwed into place.
Rigging was then carried out with 120lb 8ply Dyneema. A 20mm O Ring was used as a tensioner and the sheets were then attached to the load side of this ring.
All appears to work correctly but the max travel on the winch drum is only 310mm even with the radio endpoints both set at 120% so hopefully this will be enough for full sail deployment.
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To allow the closed loop system a bit more room it was decided to relocate the rudder servo to the opposite side of the tray.
Bottom of post was silicone sealed into the hull & the top was also siliconed to prevent further movement as the hole in the deck is quite a bit larger than the post.
Rudder arm was refitted and the rudder safety split pin replaced. Also took the opportunity to relocate the adjustable end from under the rear rudder cover to inside the hatch (seemed to make much more sense)
As the electrics were showing signs of salt water ingress a new IP67 rated switch with waterproof toggle cover & a new led was fitted.
An escutcheon plate was used for mounting & to seal the original deck switch penetration.
All wiring & plugs/sockets were also replaced at the same time. All have now been filled with Vaseline to help protect them in the future.
After tidying up the servo tray the battery pack now fits in the correct location to keep it out of any water that may end up in the hull.
The Rxr has now been fitted with antenna support tubes (silicone sealed) and the entire unit velcro’d to the side of the hull up under the deck (hopefully well clear of any water – but it has been waterproofed anyway just in case).
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Sailing an RC sailboat is fun, but it takes some practice before you get good at it. I certainly needed it when I started! If you want to take your interest in RC model boats to another level, then you should consider learning how to sail an RC sailboat.
However, learning how to sail RC sailboats requires patience and perseverance. There are several things that you need to master before you can begin sailing. This article will teach you how to sail a radio-controlled sailboat.
Read on below to discover tips that will avoid failure in learning how to sail model sailboats, that apply to all size boats.
How does a yacht sail, how are the sails and rudder of an rc sailboat moved, moving forward in a straight line, sailing into the wind, sailing away from the wind, final thoughts.
First, here’s a summary step by step approach to learning how to sail an RC sailboat:
The first thing you’ll need to know is how does a yacht sail? An rc sailboat sails just like a full size yacht. The wind energy pushes against the sails and flows over them, creating a difference in wind pressure on each side of the sail, which is translated to forward movement by the keel of the boat. Without the keel, the boat would be pushed in the direction of the wind.
To keep the yacht moving forward, the sail angle to the wind is adjusted depending on the position of the boat. Paradoxically, a sailing boat can sail into the wind, as well as with the wind. The only direction that can’t be sailed is with the wind directly in front.
The direction of the boat is adjusted by the rudder, which is at the back of the boat.
The following diagram shows the sail angles at different points of the wind:
As a beginner RC sailing boat helmsman, many of these terms will be confusing to you, but they will soon become familiar.
The controls of an RC boat are explained in more detail in t his article , but basically, the hull (body) of the boat contains batteries that power servos which in turn move the rudder, the main sail, and the fore sail (the “jib”). The servos are controlled by a receiver, that takes commands from the RC transmitter which you hold in your hand. Here’s a short video that explains the transmitter controls:
First, the basic skills. With the boat in the water, start with the wind half way between the front (bow) of the boat, and the side (beam). Keeping the rudder straight, trim (move) the sails so that they are close to the hull (close hauled) and the boat should move forward. If the wind is gusty, or very strong, move your transmitter control to let out the sails, spilling the wind, to keep the boat from keeling over.
If you’re sailing into the general wind direction, you’ll need to learn to “tack”, which involves turning the boat from a position where the wind is coming on one side of the bow, through the head-on wind, to end with the wind on its other side. This is achieved by moving the rudder to turn the yacht, whilst changing the angle of the sails to the wind – see the diagram above.
So the boat moves forward via a zig zag course.
As the boat turns into the wind, it slows, so this maneuver should be completed as quickly as possible, otherwise, the boat could get stuck with the sails flapping – this is called being “in irons”.
If the direction you wish to sail in means the wind is behind the boat, it is called running before the wind. In this case, turning the boat involves “jibing”, which is the opposite of tacking.
To change direction whilst running with the wind, move the rudder so the wind goes around the back (stern) of the boat and haul the sails in. As the boat comes round, the wind will move from one side of the sails to the other.
If this is not done smoothly, it could cause the sails to violently move in the opposite direction, possibly causing damage and maybe even capsizing the boat.
So those are the basics of learning how to sail an RC sailboat. As I’ve said above, the best way to refine your skills is to get out on the water and practice.
if you have any interest in remote control sailing but aren’t sure where to begin, use the step-by-step guide above to learn how to sail an RC sailboat. Once you’ve mastered the basics, you can move on to the exciting world of racing sailboats.
If you’re still considering your first RC beginner sailboat, take a look at our article on beginner RC sailboats , or for the more adventurous, consider building your own RC sailboat from a kit. More about that here .
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RC Sailboat Controls are rather different then your typical Radio Control.
We will first look at what channels on the radio control transmitter, control which part of the RC Sailboat and then we will look at the specific setup concerning the radio gear on an RC Sailboat.
The most common type of transmitter for RC Sailboats are the stick type transmitters . The stick type transmitter allows the ease of use over the sail control. On a stick type transmitter referring to the image below, the left
RC Sailboat Controls
side channel, typically throttle on an airplane controls the Sails. Moving the left side stick up or down would draw the sail in or let the sail out. Motion on the stick is vertically.
The stick on the right hand side controls the rudder on the RC Sailboat. The rudder channel operates as like any other rudder channel. Motion on the stick is horizontally.
These two channels are the required minimum for RC Sailboat Controls. You can see all the extra switches and controls on the radio to the right. These may be used for controlling those fancy features on your RC Sailboat. In some cases these extra features include alternate lighting, winches, or anything else to make the sailboat appear and operate more scale like.
RC Radio Receiver
Now that we have talked about the transmitter we will look at the rest of the components that are required in order to run an RC Sailboat. The component that is responsible for talking to the transmitter is the receiver. The receiver is what talks to the transmitter and then converts the radio signal to an electrical signal that can be used to control the rudder and sails of a sailboat. The reciver can be purchased with the transmitter if you choose to take that route. Purchasing a transmitter/receiver combination is more common when building your own boats.
To power the radio equipment a standard receiver battery is required. This is a battery that operates on 4.8-6.0v. Although a 4 cell disposable AA case can be used, it is highly recommended for an RC sailboat to use a rechargeable battery . The main reason is to ensure the battery pack can supply a sufficient amount of current to the servos. For larger RC sailboats a rechargeable battery is a requirement. The average user would use a 4.8-6.0v NiMh pack however LiFE, Li-ion, LiPo packs are available but be certain to include a Voltage Regulator in your system to limit the voltage.
The most important servo for an RC Sailboat is of course the Sail Servo. The sail servo comes in two different styles that are most common. Each style has its own specific set of advantages and disadvantages. The first style of sail servo that we will talk about is the sail winch servo.
The sail winch servo as pictured on the right hand side uses a drum like wheel to house the sail line. When the drum rotates the line is either let out or brought in. The Sail winch servo typically allows for 3 rotations of the drum with
Sail Servo Winch – Sail Servo – RC Sailboat Controls
torque specs around the 150 oz-in / 11 kg-cm. The biggest difference is that these torque specs are at a relatively short distance from the center point of the drum. This small distance increases the amount of torque relative to the next sail servo type that we will be looking at.
Sail Arm Servo – RC Sailboat Controls
The other Sail Servo style is the arm type . The arm type sail servo uses quite a long arm in order to get an acceptable amount of line draw. As you may expect this operates nearly the same as a standard servo where the only difference is the servo arm itself. For a typical one meter Sailboat, you would require a servo of this style that has at least 150 oz-in / 11 kg-cm of torque as a minimum. This style servo requires more torque then a winch servo as the amount of force produced at the end of the arm is reduces due to the length of the arm.
Sail Arm Servo Advantages:
Sail Arm Servo Disadvantages:
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The double haul (pulley on end of servo arm) provides twice the winch line travel than would be available if the winch line was connected directly to the servo arm. This sort of setup suits smaller boats (say up to 800mm), a drum winch is more appropriate for larger boats. Arm winches are fast, drum winches are strong.
Here's how I built the sail winch system in my RC (48" schooner) sailboat. I use a HiTec radio and operate the winch servo with the throttle channel. I also ...
It is based on a 24V electric scooter motor and two 12V 9A batteries in series to provide 24 volts. The winch weighs 15lbs and the retriever 32lbs including the batteries. - Winch - 24V 300 Watt MY1016 motor. - Retriever - 24V 100 Watt MY6812 motor. - 30A speed controller.
The setup tone sounds like a phone ring. This puts the winch in setup mode. Move Tx winch stick to full out and wait for the setup tone. A second setup tone indicates Tx calibration is complete. Move Tx winch stick back to close hauled and wait for the setup tone. The winch will drive to its zero point automatically (if not already there).
DIY Sail Winch. The most important r/c part of a radio controlled sail boat is the sail winch. - Hobby King 10 kgcm sail winch, or Hobby King 13 kgcm sail winch cheap like standard servo but powerful and waterproof. Or, you can build your own drum winch as follows. You can find a Tower Pro MG995 compatible servo and many other R/C parts here.
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How To Program a SmartWinch. How To Program a. SmartWinch. To identify your model software revision and therefore the setup procedures, click on the speaker symbols to hear the startup sounds. Once you have found the one that sounds the same as your winch, click the link next to that speaker symbol. Not sure what model?
At this point all I understand is that you push the control stick up, or away from you and that is winch line out, and pull stick down towards you is winch line in. If there's a video on this please let me know too, couldn't find one, or a thread. Thanks everyone! Reply Like. Reply Subscribe.
Below Deck Closed Loop Sail Winch setup for Focus 1 metre RC Yacht. After making 3 of these systems for Proboat Ragazza's and another for my ETNZ recently, I thought the Focus would be relatively simple. Unfortunately, due to the limited access it was a bit more fiddly but still quite doable.
A big piece can be cut from the clamshell container for grocery store cupcakes/cookies. Punch a hole where the sail servo stem comes through and just let it rest on the top of the servo. The slack sheets just lay on the guard. Keep it simple and it works better. And make sure you place a drop of CA on the knots.
This is the easiest way to set your winch servo and sail in average winds. You need a 20 Kilograms servo or greater.
But, here goes. I'll try my best to help, culling information from some good sources, Model Yachting Magazine issues #119 and #120 both reference one meter class boats, the US1m and Soling 1M respectively. The details as I know them. The US 1M is limited to 600 Sq in of sail area, the Soling 1m is rated at 592 sq in of sail.
Moving forward in a straight line. First, the basic skills. With the boat in the water, start with the wind half way between the front (bow) of the boat, and the side (beam). Keeping the rudder straight, trim (move) the sails so that they are close to the hull (close hauled) and the boat should move forward.
Winch set up. The Tippecanoe T 50 That I built a few years ago has a pretty simple set up. There are 2 half circle shapes that are built up of 3 pieces of ply. I can't remember what the diameter would be but around 3 ". The centre piece of ply in each half circle is a slightly smaller diameter so as to provide a groove that will accept a length ...
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RC Sailboats - Drum sail winch - Can someone help me in providing a Layout for a Drum Winch. I' have got this yacht which has never been set up on the sails,I'm not even sure if I can use the drum winch it would bebetter but I think an arm system will be easier, but I really fancy using the drum winch, I think there
RC Sailboat Controls. side channel, typically throttle on an airplane controls the Sails. Moving the left side stick up or down would draw the sail in or let the sail out. Motion on the stick is vertically. The stick on the right hand side controls the rudder on the RC Sailboat. The rudder channel operates as like any other rudder channel.
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Usually there are two sections on the drum if it is a wind/unwind setup, and a single section if there is an elastic to keep the tension on. I use an arm winch but I also have to have a mechanism to pull the slack from the sheet as the servo eases the sails. Otherwise the sheet will go loose inside the boat and WILL get tangled on something!