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Recommended PostsDavid lester. I am launched into a new project building a J Class yacht for a friend (Amati Shamrock V) and I have a question about the rigging that maybe someone knows the answer to. The kit provides only natural coloured line (ecru, tan, off-white or whatever you want to call it) and the picture of the model on the box shows all of the rigging (both running and standing) done in this colour. Somehow this doesn't seem right to me. Since this is a 1930's era yacht, would it be correct to believe that the standing rigging would actually have been wire cable. Somehow that seems likely to me. Does anyone out there know? On my Bluenose model the plans stated that all the standing rigging on that vessel was wire cable and had serving. (I didn't have a serving machine at that time, so just ignored this and simply used black line.) If the rigging on Shamrock V is wire cable, is it likely to have been served as well? Somehow that seems less likely to me. Again, if anyone knows, I'd be grateful. If the standing rigging is wire cable and is not served, what do people think would be the best colour line to use for it. Simply black, or stick with the ecru line provided or would you do something unusual, such as gray. (I'm not going to try my hand at using actual wire.) Anyway, any thoughts you have would be much appreciated. Current Build - St. Roch, Billing Boats; HMS Agamemnon, Caldercraft (on hold) Previous Builds - Armed Virginia Sloop, Model Shipways; Constitution, Model Shipways; Rattlesnake, Mamoli; Virginia Privateer, Marine Model Co, restoration; Prince de Neufchatel, Model Shipways; Charles W. Morgan, Model Shipways; Pride of Baltimore II, Model Shipways, Bluenose, Model Shipways (x2); Niagara, Model Shipways; Mayfower, Model Shipways; Shamrock V, Amati; HMS Pegasus, Victory/Amati Link to commentShare on other sites, roger pellett. America’s Cup competition has always featured boats built with high tech features to gain a competitive edge. This was as true in the 1930’s as it is today. Furthermore, the very tall Marconi rigs were highly stressed and rigging was tuned (highly tensioned) to provide optimum performance. Stretch had to be minimized. As a minimum the J boats would have been rigged with wire rope. In later years America’s Cup yachts featured solid rod rigging. More research needs to be done to determined which was used. - mtaylor , allanyed and Bob Cleek
According to Llewellyn Howland III in his biography of W. Starling Burgess, the first large yacht to utilize solid bar rigging was the 1934 America’s Cup defender Rainbow. The bars couldn’t be produced in long enough lengths requiring turnbuckles half way up. Shamrock V would, therefore, have been rigged with wire rope. Apparently, the J Boats also used wire rope for some running rigging. Burgess, became marooned atop Enterprise’s mast when he used the main halyard to hoist him up. The wire rope halyard was heavier than he was! 2 hours ago, Roger Pellett said: Burgess, became marooned atop Enterprise’s mast when he used the main halyard to hoist him up. The wire rope halyard was heavier than he was! I know it is a 7 hour drive from Cobourg to midtown Manhattan, but if you can do it, contact the office of the chairman of the Model Committee at the New York Yacht Club to arrange a visit. I think the current chairman is Peter Sweetser. In years past they left me alone for a few hours with the collection to make sketches (but no photos at the time.) Perhaps now they will also allow photos. It is a fascinating collection of over 1200 of some of the best schooner and racing models in the world. - Roger Pellett and mtaylor
PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Thanks for the input, guys (and the stories too.) That's pretty much what I guessed to be the case. I don't think I'll try using wire for the standing rigging however; I'd never get it lay straight and even and I imagine just a slight touch might put a slight bend in it. I'll probably just end up using black line, but maybe I'll experiment a bit with a metal-like colour. Allan, thanks for the information about the NYYC model collection. I had a look at their website and I think That would certainly be a great place to visit, however, I don't see a New York adventure in my near future (let's be honest, I rarely leave the basement!) Thanks again, Every year during the SNAME conference there is a dinner for Naval Architecture alumni of the University of Michigan. While not a SNAME member, I always get invited. One year the dinner was held at the New York Yacht Club. Unlike most yacht clubs it’s in the middle of Manhattan, not on the water. I was able to schedule other business to be in NYC to attend the dinner. As Allan writes, a visit to the club’s model is an opportunity not to be missed. The model collection is spectacular and I don’t think that they are about to put them in storage to make room for a more “relevant” display. I would suspect that Shamrock’s wire rigging would not have been served. Designers of these yachts were concerned with the aerodynamics of the rig. They would have tried to minimize the cross sectional area of the standing rigging to cut wind resistance. Here again, more research is necessary but I believe that the racing rigs were considering to be “temporary.” When these challengers crossed the Atlantic to race, if sailed they did so under reduced rig. Later the Cup Rules allowed boats to be towed or shipped on a steamer. The racing rig was erected upon arrival in the US for competition. Some of the American J’s were furnished with several masts that could be swapped out during the trials. In any case, these boats did not have long lives. 2 hours ago, David Lester said: but maybe I'll experiment a bit with a metal-like colour. I look forward to following your build log David. I totally agree that using wire is a nightmare. I had more pin holes in my fingers in one session than all the tiny cuts from scalpels over 40+ years. I have a couple spools of the stuff in the shop that will take care of hanging pictures for the rest of my life. Do try getting some metal like thread instead of the wire. Would the wire color be more towards black than grey? It easy to make crimps regardless of the color to avoid serving but I am not so sure seizings and serving was not used on racing yachts 100 years ago, Roger you probably have it right, but was this the norm when Shamrock V was in her racing heyday? I suspect some research should turn up some contemporary photos that will give the answer. Shamrock V displaces 146 tons. There is a rule of thumb that for a racing yacht the breaking strength of the shrouds should be equal to the displacement. A quick check of a wire rope table says 2” wire rope is 320,000 lbs, close enough. At your scale that would be 0.025”. I don’t know if they were using rod rigging yet, but that would obviously be a little smaller. I doubt they had gone to oval cross section yet to reduce windage. The pictures of Shamrock in the present day are all clearly rod rigging. Per my post above, The first J Boat rigged with rod rigging was the 1934 American Cup defender Rainbow. There is an interesting connection between prewar yacht design and the aircraft industry. Starling Burgess, Rainbow’s designer designed airplanes in the 1920’s, and Sopwith, builder of the famous Sopwith Camel owned one or more of the British challengers. Designers of these high performance yachts, therefore, would have followed developments in building high performance aircraft. Burgess was also involved in the application of aluminum for boats and cars. Burgess used proprietary fittings for attaching rigging to Rainbow’s spars and the hull. High quality small diameter diameter wire rope can be bought from fishing tackle suppliers. It is used for towing “downriggers,” heavy lead weights used to control depth of fishing lines. I also have a stash of very small diameter stranded wire cable that I used many years ago in an unsuccessful attempt at control line model airplane flying. You can find small multi-strand wire in jewelry supplies in hobby stores. I have some Beadalon brand 7 strand at 0.012", (0.30 mm) 0.015" (0.38 mm) and 0.018" (0.46 mm) diameter. I also have some nylon coated Cable Strand Corp. Acculon brand 3 strand at 0.012" (0.30 mm) diameter. Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19611-albatros-by-dr-pr-mantua-scale-140-about-1815/&tab=comments#comment-601276 Previous build: https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/19321-uss-oklahoma-city-clg-5-1971-3d-cad-model/ I have no love for working with any kind of wire, but that has been my experience so maybe time for another try using the wire you mention. Are you using crimps or some other securing method and do you find it difficult to keep things tight? Pictures???? Thank you very much. Join the conversationYou can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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The owners, David and Lee Ann Lester of Naples, intend to bring that same ultra-upscale, mega-yacht experience to this area. The setting will be a similarly sized, glass vessel they're having built that's projected to begin serving the high-end hotels of Naples and Marco in July of 2022.
Lester and his wife Lee Ann previously owned a similar land-based business called International Fine Art Expositions, which they sold in 2001. Two years later, the couple bought a 94-foot Ferretti yacht and set off on a 10,000-mile, year-and-a-half voyage that took them from the Caribbean to the Canadian Maritime Provinces.
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More yachts, Mr. Lester said. A second, longer boat is on the drawing board. It will be 252 feet long, compared with 228 feet for the SeaFair, and will be devoted to fashion and jewelry.
Shamrock V by David Lester - FINISHED - Amati - 1:80 - J Class Yacht Facebook ... However, I think this yacht needs the sails, and it's a good opportunity for me to experiment with them. As I mentioned earlier, I found the kit provided material all but impossible to work with, so I had ordered some silkspan which arrived on Monday and I spent ...
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The inaugural SeaFair tour will commence June 2007 in Greenwich, Connecticut, announced David J. Lester, President of Expoships LLLP based in Naples, Florida.
SeaFair, David Lester's $20 million venture into the trendy world of art fairs, is scheduled to make its maiden voyage to Greenwich, CT, arriving on September 25, 2007. The 228-foot-long yacht named the Grand Luxe, will be arriving in New York City's Chelsea Piers on from October 9 - 14. Problems such as shortages of steel and workers ...
Nice boat, really pretty result, I was actually looking for paint schemes and liked the same you did, great work, I was thinking about making this boat from plans (from where that paint scheme comes) but decided I am going to wait for a kit to show up on Ebay, meanwhile I have the endeavour 1/80 and 1/35 and the rainbow is still available in 1/80 scale as well
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Captain Lester came to Marine City, Michigan, in 1835 at the age of 12 with his brothers and parents Ascha Stimpson and Isaac Lester. Captain Lester was a prominent entrepreneur and citizen of Marine City. He was elected the first president of Marine City in 1865, when the small town was first incorporated, and during his lifetime he held other ...
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Edited October 14, 2022 by David Lester. mtaylor; 1 ... Unlike most yacht clubs it's in the middle of Manhattan, not on the water. I was able to schedule other business to be in NYC to attend the dinner. As Allan writes, a visit to the club's model is an opportunity not to be missed. The model collection is spectacular and I don't think ...
David Lester passed away. The obituary was featured in Yorkshire Evening Post on September 18, 2024. View their obituary at Legacy.com