| and having owned a steel boat for may years I can confirm that Hendrik is correct and that a lot of what has been said here is simply misinformation. There is a lot of uninformed prejudice and bias about so be careful who you listen to. The Van de Stadt 34 is a good design that well and (assuming it is correctly built) it will resist impact damage that would destroy most GRP boats. Most of us have gone aground from time to time (and especially when learning). Steel is very forgiving. A well-built and well-painted steel boat can last for a long, long time if maintained correctly. I have inspected 40 year old steel boats that had no rust whatsoever and never had. The whole idea that maintenance on a steel boat is unending is a myth but it is true that you have to be careful to avoid letting any damage go unattended as rust can creep under good paint once it gets started. Cleanliness and good ventilation is the basic maintenance that is needed and these make on board living more pleasant anyway. Steel boats do tend to rust from the inside so look in all the most inaccessible places (under motor/toilet/shower/bilge/anchor locker etc) using a powerful torch and mirror if needed. Particularly look for uneven layers of paint and explore these gently with a scraper. If there is any fresh paint over rust this is a very bad sign. At the very minimum all rust should be passivated (preferably removed completely) prior to over-coating. Modern paints are excellent and if used correctly they are tough and very resistant to damage. It looks to me as if the undercoat/primer may be zinc rich which can cause blistering below the waterline externally. This boat looks really good despite the cosmetics. The idea that you cannot have a good steel cruising yacht under 12m is absolute rubbish. Obviously if it's built out of 6mm plate it will be too heavy to perform well but if it was built and rigged to Van de Stadt's specifications it will sail well. I do not know the so cannot comment. | 03-01-2021, 22:21 | | Boat: Volkscruiser | . That Vanderstadt could be a good buy, they really need a to determine if she is worth touching. At the same time they need to be the there with the getting a lesson in what to look for. Cheers | | | 03-01-2021, 22:35 | | | . That Vanderstadt could be a good buy, they really need a to determine if she is worth touching. At the same time they need to be the there with the surveyor getting a lesson in what to look for. Cheers | 04-01-2021, 11:50 | | Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar | , , boom, , chain, winches, windlasses, anchors, electrics etc) in near new condition, can seriously outweigh any advantages that FG offers. If one then opts to buy an old steel boat, then those advantages are . Cheers, Rick | 04-01-2021, 12:49 | | Boat: no boat any more | ), I seem to remember these (80ies) designs were by Cees van Tongeren & very modern for their times (frameless, plans for the hull-panel-outlines,...) & fast for the type of boat they were designed to be. The Dutch have a long tradition of designing & building in metal, & while we have seen quite a few metal (mostly steel)-abominations down under, The have quite a number of really good looking, reasonably fast steel (& aluminium) boats. Still: as first boat a steel boat...not sure I'd recommend it... | | | 04-01-2021, 12:55 | | Boat: no boat any more | | | | 04-01-2021, 20:06 | | Boat: 12m aluminium centreboarder | welded to (a suitably reinforced) can resist impact that would sheer off or significantly damage the internal structure of a GRP one. I've inspected many GRP boats that have suffered such damage. I've known of some that have sunk. Many years ago in NZ my steel yacht fell forward off a slipway dropping onto its stem from about 2m (~6'). Damage? Localised paint damage to the boat, a significant gouge in the concrete, the handle broken off a cup that fell in the sink and a dent in my pride. About 100 miles off the mouth of the Amazon we sailed past a log that was significantly bigger than our boat. Scary. Ocean cruising is not all about speed. The feeling of that a well built metal hull gives is worth quite a bit. I've delivered quite a few modern GRP boats (Beneteaus, Bavarias etc ) and find it unnerving how the boats shudder when pounding to windward. Yes, these are relatively light and sail well to windward but I find myself slowing down for comfort. It must be acknowledged that this is largely a function of modern yacht design and GRP can withstand a huge amount of flexure (as can steel). | | | 04-01-2021, 20:34 | | Boat: Bavara 37/Soling 27 | FRP = fibre-reinforced plastic GRP = glass-reinforced plastic [TMI for now: A GRP uses fibers, so it is an FRP. However, there are FRPs that are not GRPs, such as carbon-reinforced polymers, for example, which do not use glass.] FG = . OP = Cruiser Forum-speak for the original post/original poster. Also, notice that the conversation is going to be often broken down among people who've sailed them, people who've built them, people who've surveyed them, and people who have other reasons to have opinions. The value of this forum is that nearly everyone has something useful, some resource, some experience, so I'm reconfirming that you're doing a good thing to come here EVEN IF reading this thread you see every possible opinion about that boat in particular and that kind of boat in general. The best possible , of course, is to get a surveyor to see it before you buy. Depending on where you are, people here on this forum might be able to recommend someone. The second-best possible advice is that the age and the price and the fact that the seller says it will need suggests that the discounted price of 15,000 Euro added to in in cash that you will pay contractors, or in labor by you (if you want to learn how to boats). There's a about a cruiser who completely rebuilt her steel boat. You can see everything she's done. It'll give you an idea of the kinds of projects that might pop up. I second the concern about that relatively rare auxiliary (boat speak for engine). Finding parts is one of those things you don't realize is going to be a problem until you can't find that particular part. Replacing them is wicked expensive. Same deal with the rigging and : Tired sails are sails that can fail you at the worst possible time. Those are things that don't immediately occur to you when you see a listing and it says "there are sails and an engine that work." Best of luck, and keep us posted! | | | 06-01-2021, 13:51 | | | Survey 101 link - great resource. A few comments on the emergent themes: We would do well to clarify that we have targeted the Van de Stadt 34 based on the favorable review in Get Real, Get Gone coupled with, what is for us at least, as inexperienced sailors, a convincing argument for steel. Basically, were not looking to reinvent the . Whilst we might be able to appreciate the relative handling characteristics, layout etc. by trying out a range of boats, we cannot really pretend to know what we need. We'd rather do targeted based on a model recommendation. That being said, what models could people recommend for a good starter boat in GRP between 30 and 40 foot and circa 30kEUR (plus 15kEUR contingency)? Preference for an ample fin keel and skeg-hung . I suspect this already needs another thread. We looked at the Bayfield 32 and Twenty small sailboats to take you anywhere (John Vigor) but these appear overwhelmingly to be models more common in the US. For reference, were in Paris/Lille (for now). As many of you pointed out, we note that it is critical to establish whether there is rust on the inside of the hull. This was covered in Get Real, Get Gone with a specific mention of the importance/challanges of gaining access to the hull internally (thanks, Rick). Based on our relatively limited , we had not come across this manufacturer so definitely take note that this is unfavorable regarding spares/maintenance. Best wishes, Oliver and Laurine | | | 06-01-2021, 15:02 | | Boat: Retired from CF | in steel for a number of reasons and so far i admit that i only met one sailing couple , but they were very experienced , that share my liking for steel so the comments here only reflect what i have received in real life. Yes maintenance is there but is also there , i can relatevely easy fix a hole in any island village in the Pacific myself and get to a bigger port where i just grind it off and get it pro fixed. The VDS sails very well close to the , i made about 80 nm a day. One point i have to say is that she has a very long Fin keel and i draw 2.1 m and that has put some limitations on me where i can and can not go. I am happy with my decission but i do not argue or critisise others for making a different decission. Good luck. | | | 06-01-2021, 15:51 | | Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38 | , but I don't know who built this boat. Don't worry too much about performance...this boat will get you where you want....but get it surveyed..... 15,000 EU is about $18,500.....that is a pretty good price for a 34 footer....if it passes survey !! | | | 06-01-2021, 22:03 | | Boat: no boat any more | (& possibly French?) puts a whole new aspect to your boatsearch. You are in THE cruising nation of the world, with the longest (& imho most interesting & relevant) "cruising culture" bar none!!! Just wander around the , talk to boatowners (there used to be many french steelboats on the bluewter-rtw circuit), get hold of two in the "Hors Serie" of the - sadly now defunct magazine "Loisirs nautiques": first: La Plaisance Francaise a la decouverte de ses architects" & in the same series the one about "Construction Aluminium" by Caroff. Try to get hold of old issues of the Loisirs nautiques magazine, imho the very best one by far if you are delving into cruising boat design. (In my time I gobbled up everything available about the subject in German, & French & we bought 2 boats in - if you are "francophone" - that's where to look!). If in the market for a steel boat look to & maybe (attention: the Krauts are ugliness-champions when it comes to metal boats!). | | | 07-01-2021, 05:22 | | Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38 | | | | Thread Tools | | Rate This Thread | : | Posting Rules | post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are | Similar Threads | Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post | | st anna | Monohull Sailboats | 45 | 06-05-2024 19:38 | | DewTheDewDude | General Sailing Forum | 8 | 01-01-2017 17:14 | | utahmonty | Monohull Sailboats | 12 | 09-11-2009 13:32 | | harpoon71 | Classifieds Archive | 1 | 27-07-2009 06:46 | | jemsea | General Sailing Forum | 6 | 21-07-2005 21:44 | Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. E. G. Van de StadtEricus Gerhardus van de Stadt (1910-1999) was one of the pioneers of modern yacht design. (Extract from the book: “E.G. van de Stadt YACHT DESIGN PIONEER”) In 1933, he and his wife Lies started a boatyard at Zaandam, where they lived aboard a houseboat, designing and building canoes and dinghies. They developed a successful business despite the set back of World War II, and not overcoming their starting losses until 1950. Among many innovations in yacht designs: the wing section fin keel and balanced spade rudder combination, the first very fast plywood yachts, the world’s first series production fiberglass yacht, and the world’s first maxi - “Stormvogel”. Although he participated in the development of the IOR rule, he later resigned from the International Technical Committee in protest over the US dominance in offshore racing rules as well as his feeling that the rule was fostering a less than seaworthy type of yacht. He was reserve helmsman on the Dutch Olympic sailing team in 1936 and was very successful in offshore racing for many years. In 1978 he sold his boatyard to Dehler and spent the rest of his career concentrating on design. After his retirement, Van de Stadt Design was run by the partners Cees W. van Tongeren, Hans R.F. Korner, Klaas Buis, Walter Galjaard and Anita de Vos. E.G. van de Stadt and partners continued to produce many designs and have been at the forefront of research into yacht aerodynamics and hydrodynamics. The company has produced over 400 designs since 1933 and there are some 25.000 van de Stadts afloat in the world today. 148 Sailboats designed by E. G. Van de StadtMeteor ClassSea Mini 21Sprinta SportJeanneau Alize 20Dehler 35 CwsTrintella ITrintella 29Trintella IITrintella IIIOffshore 8 MeterWinner 10.10Trintella IiaTrintella IiiaDehler 37 cr. Trintella VTrintella 38Trintella 42Trintella 44Trintella 49ASeacracker 33Trintella 57a. Trintella 45Trintella 53Trintella 44AVan de stadt 30. Junior Holiday 24Dolphin 26 (Van DE Stadt)Van DE Stadt 7.1Trotter PandoraMirror Offshore MK IISpirit 28 (Van DE Stadt)Dehler 37 db. Dehler Optima 101Dehler 36 CwsDehler 36 DBDehler Optima 106Dehler Delanta 76Dehler Optima 92Dehler Delanta 80Dehler Optima 98 GDehler Duetta 86Dehler duetta 94. Dehler Optima 98Dehler 25CRDehler Optima 83Dehler 43 CwsDehler 39 CwsRoyal Cape One-DesignGlass Slipper 50Splinter 21Mirror Offshore MK ISprinter 32Winner 9.00. Winner 12.20Winner 9.50Winner 11.20Holiday 32 carib. Trintella IVTrintella IATrintella 35. Pandora MK IPandora InternationalPandora 700Prospect 900Holiday 24 (Sailor)Valk (Falcon)Yachting World SeahorseSpirit 24 (Van DE Stadt)Friendship 33Van DE Stadt 29 (Sea Dog 29)Buccaneer (Stadt)Selecta 940Flying TernVan DE Stadt 44Cumulant 40Sea Dog 29 (Van DE Stadt)Jeanneau StormExcalibur 36©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Log in or Sign upYou are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser . Van de Stadt 34: what is your opinion ?Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by lluca , Dec 22, 2013 . lluca New MemberHi, I live in Switzerland and I'm looking to build a sailboat (or buy a hull) to take a cruise around the world, eventually in Patagonia. Requirements are: _ must be a boat for sailing solo _ not too big to transport via road to the sea (probably in Genova) _ solid construction, Class A (safety!) _ good quality marine, even under challenging sea _ discrete-good sailing performance in light winds I saw the Van de Stadt 34: this frameless project, in aluminum , could meet my requirements in safety and quality marine ? Normally the Van de Stadt project have a good reputation... Personal experiences-advices are appreciated, thank you! Cheers Luca gonzo Senior MemberDo you need to have it built in Switzerland? Yes, I live in Switzerland and would like to build it here in order to bring forward the building in my spare time (in the evenings and at weekends). Build it near the sea is unthinkable for me, it takes 4 hours by car... Meanwhile I am also considering the Reinke 10M: seems to correspond better to my requirements ... http://www.reinke-yacht.de/ PAR Yacht Designer/BuilderWelcome to the forum. Both yachts would be transportable, but not easily. You'd need a marine hauler and the associated special permitting and route refinement. A new build would be much more costly, then purchasing a used yacht and having it upgraded, to suit your blue water requirements. A quick search netted many very suitable yachts at reasonable prices. Hi PAR, thank you for your advice ! Do you mean to buy a used yacht already at sea and do upgrade it? I know that buying a used yacht and upgraded it is more cheaper than building it, but if I buy one near the sea and then I have to take trips to working for the upgrade it, probably costs more to build it here to me. To go into an area close to the sea, round trip costs me around 120 Euro each time (more than eight hours of travel lost each week ends). Also I could only work on the weekends and not in the evenings during the week. But if you mean to buy a used yacht and take it in Switzerland, this could be certainly interesting and I'm already looking... The Reinke 10m seems to be the ideal boat for me, because: _ corresponds to my requirements _ I do not need a special transport, because the maximum beam is 3 meters and does not exceed a height of 4 meters. Above these measures becomes an exceptional transport that require the authorization, with higher costs for transport. Sorry for my bad english... waikikin Senior Memberlluca said: ↑ Hi PAR, thank you for your advice ! Do you mean to buy a used yacht already at sea and do upgrade it? I know that buying a used yacht and upgraded it is more cheaper than building it, but if I buy one near the sea and then I have to take trips to working for the upgrade it, probably costs more to build it here to me. To go into an area close to the sea, round trip costs me around 120 Euro each time (more than eight hours of travel lost each week ends). Also I could only work on the weekends and not in the evenings during the week. But if you mean to buy a used yacht and take it in Switzerland, this could be certainly interesting and I'm already looking... The Reinke 10m seems to be the ideal boat for me, because: _ corresponds to my requirements _ I do not need a special transport, because the maximum beam is 3 meters and does not exceed a height of 4 meters. Above these measures becomes an exceptional transport that require the authorization, with higher costs for transport. Sorry for my bad english... Click to expand... Van De Stadt - unknown modelUnidentified Van De Stadt?Vanderstadt superdoggers WorldwideVan der Stadt Caribbean 40 project?Van de Stadt 29 Sea Dog steelB & B Yacht Designs - Small boat horizontal pivoting Windvane Self Steering gear - plans developmentwind vane self steeringParavane for normal keel boatVanishing Sail- No, create an account now.
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Review of Horizon (van de stadt)Basic specs.. The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all. The boat is equipped with 80.0 liter fresh water capacity. The boat equipped with a masthead rig. The advantage of a masthead rig is its simplicity and the fact that a given sail area - compared with a fractional rig - can be carried lower and thus with less heeling moment. The Horizon (van de stadt) is equipped with a fin keel. A boat with a fin keel is more manoeuvrable but has less directional stability than a similar boat with a full keel. The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 1.22 - 1.32 meter (4.00 - 4.30 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below. Sailing characteristicsThis section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats. What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)? The capsize screening value for Horizon (van de stadt) is 1.84, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races. What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed? The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.9 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed. The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Horizon (van de stadt) is about 92 kg/cm, alternatively 515 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 92 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 515 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch. Sailing statisticsThis section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points. What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)? What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)? What is a Ballast Ratio? What is Displacement Length Ratio? SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 18.46 MaintenanceWhen buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 16m 2 (172 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need. If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful. Usage | Length | Diameter | Jib sheet | 7.4 m | (24.4 feet) | 10 mm | (3/8 inch) | Genoa sheet | 7.4 m | (24.4 feet) | 10 mm | (3/8 inch) | Mainsheet | 18.6 m | (60.9 feet) | 10 mm | (3/8 inch) | Spinnaker sheet | 16.3 m | (53.6 feet) | 10 mm | (3/8 inch) | This section is reserved boat owner's modifications, improvements, etc. Here you might find (or contribute with) inspiration for your boat. Do you have changes/improvements you would like to share? Upload a photo and describe what you have done. We are always looking for new photos. If you can contribute with photos for Horizon (van de stadt) it would be a great help. If you have any comments to the review, improvement suggestions, or the like, feel free to contact us . Criticism helps us to improve. | | | |
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Hey guys, I'm in the market for a new vessel and I'm torn between a Downeaster 38' and a Van de Stadt 45. They are both similarly priced, which concerns me for a boat that much bigger. Done quite a bit of googling with very little results in regards to the Van de Stadt.
The Van de Stadt Legend 34 is a sturdy yacht, built for serious coastal and offshore cruising in all weathers. Duncan Kent sails one off Portland.
Ericus Gerhardus van de Stadt (1910-1999) was one of the pioneers of modern yacht design. In 1933, he and his wife Lies started a boatyard at Zaandam, where they lived aboard a houseboat, designing and building canoes and dinghies.
Is a well known Dutch yacht designer that has a good to excellent reputation. The attached link is the design house which still sell his plans / designs. VAN DE STADT DESIGN - Yacht Designers, Naval Architects. Ilenart.
The Van de Stadt 34 is a good design that sails well and (assuming it is correctly built) it will resist impact damage that would destroy most GRP boats. Most of us have gone aground from time to time (and especially when learning).
Among many innovations in yacht designs: the wing section fin keel and balanced spade rudder combination, the first very fast plywood yachts, the world’s first series production fiberglass yacht, and the world’s first maxi - “Stormvogel”.
The Van de Stadt is a lovely boat, my first larger boat build was a steel VDS 34 around 30 years ago for my own use at 20 years old. Fabrication was quite quick with some supervision from Dad, I sold her for a tidy profit & moved to the next.
The Van de Stadt 30 is a sailboat designed by the Dutch maritime architect E. G. van de Stadt in the early seventies.
The Horizon (van de stadt) is a small sailboat designed by the Dutch maritime architect E. G. van de Stadt in the early sixties. The Horizon (van de stadt) is built by the Belgian yard Bootbouwerij A. J. Van Heygen P.V.B.A.
Ericus (Ricus) Gerhardus van de Stadt (4 February 1910 – 7 September 1999) was a Dutch yacht designer. He was the founder of industrial yacht building in the Netherlands. Yacht designer. E.G. van de Stadt went through the HTS (technical college), completing his training as a naval architect in 1932.